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KERRANG! INTERVIEW
19 October, 2005
LINK 182 WERE ONE OF THE
BIGGEST BANDS IN THE WORLD - UNTIL PARANOIA AND
JEALOUSY TORE THEM APART. NOW TOM DELONGE HAS
FINALLY AGREED TO BREAK THE
SILENCE...
You always hurt the ones you
love. That's what people say. Well, it works
both ways, and that's something the three
members of Blink 182 could tell you a thing or
two about.
On February 22, shortly after
mysteriously pulling out of a tsunami benefit
show in California, Blink 182 released an
official statement announcing that they were
going on an immediate and indefinate hiatus to
"spend some time enjoying the fruits of their
labours".
In the wakes of the
announcement, the trio remained tight-lipped
about what exactly had prompted it. Instead,
Mark Hoppus and Travis Barker busied themselves
with their new band - Plus-44 - and Tom Delonge
retired from the spotlight, giving no interviews
and making no public appearances.
The
guitarist/frontman might be preparing to rise
again, through his new band Angels and Airwaves,
but that doesn't mean that he's put Blink 182
into a box, locked the lid and cast it aside.
Far from it. Via two long and intense phone
calls, the usually private Delonge opened up to
Kerrang! about the band's breakdown. Of course,
his is only one part of a three-sided story, but
at the time of going to press, his former
bandmates declined to be interviewed. Here,
then, is Tom Delonge's account of the death of
Blink 182...
WHEN YOU AND TRAVIS FORMED BOX CAR RACER WITHOUT MARK, WAS THAT
THE BEGINNING OF THE END FOR BLINK 182?
"Mark
took it extremely hard. I had no intention to
ever make Box Car a priority over Blink, but it
really hurt him. It sucks because Mark's a
sweetheart and I never meant to hurt him. But he
never got over it."
WHY COULDN'T HE LET GO?
"Mark's one of the most intelligent
people I've ever met, but sometimes he's too
intelligent for his own good and will
over-analyse stuff. But if the only issue was
that he couldn't get Over Box Car, then I'd have
propably hung it out a little while
longer."
SO PROBLEMS BETWEEN YOU WEREN'T JUST A RESULT OF BOX CAR?
"I also wrote a
song for a hip-hop guy because I wanted to do
something different and after that, our record
lable offered me a solo deal."
DID YOU WANT TO GO SOLO?
"I was flattered, but there
was no way in hell that I'd ever do that. I
thought it would be the most stupid, arrogant,
lame thing to do. In any case, these e-mails
were getting floated around between the lable
and management and Mark found out."
HOW DID MARK TAKE IT?
"He didn't talk to anyone
for two days and was pretty pissed about it. Off
the heals of Box Car, Mark was suspicious. There
were many things he thought happened that never
happened - like secret meetings behind his back
- and I couldn't convince him otherwise. I think
people thought I was conspiring to do things and
that was so not the case."
THAT MUST HAVE MADE YOU FEEL PRETTY ALIENATED.
"It was one
of the things that frustrated me the most
because I really wanted nothing but the
healthiest and to be doing it with my best
friends. I didn't want to start another band and
I didn't want to go solo."
SO AMONG ALL THAT, YOU GUYS DID ANOTHER BLINK ALBUM.
"Yeah, and it was a great healing
period for us, but with Mark not being able to
let Box Car go, things weren't the same. Travis,
on the other hand, I think his focus was in many
different places. He wanted to tour all the
time, was playing in multiple bands and then he
started his reality TV show that he never told
me about."
HOW DID YOU FEEL ABOUT TRAVIS DOING THE MTV SERIES "MEET
THE BARKERS"?
"It
was something I didn't agree with, but I
supported him, even though I didn't like having
TV cameras around me and I felt that my personal
privacy was invaded. And then on our last
European tour [towards the end of 2004]
everything kind of came to a head."
HOW BAD DID THINGS GET ON THAT TOUR?
"I was
super-bummed because I needed to go home and see
my daughter and my wife. We'd been away from
home for nearly two years and I was really
unhappy."
DID YOU RESENT THE FACT THAT BLINK KEPT YOU AWAY FROM
YOUR FAMILY?
"No,
but it got to the point where my family couldn't
be my first priority and I wasn't willing to
uproot them every time I went on tour. It just
wasn't fair - they needed some
normality."
MARK AND TRAVIS HAVE WIVES AND CHILDREN TOO. WHY WAS IT
SUCH A STRAIN FOR YOU?
"Of course they love their families, but
I think they deal with the way that their family
lives fit into the band easier than I do. My
family needed me at home and it didn't seem like
me making that my priority mapped up with the
way those guys wanted to work."
COULDN'T YOU JUST TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT?
"I didn't
understand. Travis and I couldn't talk to Mark
anymore - we weren't the friends we were. The
other thing was I was getting so much shit from
Mark about Box Car, but then when we were on
that last tour, Mark and Travis had already put
together Plus-44. I didn't even know about it
until it got printed in a magazine - in
Kerrang!, I think."
IS THAT WHEN YOU DECIDED TO FORM ANGELS AND AIRWAVES?
"No,
absolutely not, and I want to make this clear. I
had an epithany on that tour which made me feel
like I was going to do something big, but I had
no idea what it meant. It didn't even cross my
mind to put another band together until after we
announced our hiatusm when I was working on some
new songs last March."
BUT MARK AND TRAVIS MUST HAVE KNOWN YOU WEREN'T HAPPY.
"They were going to me, "What do you
want? What is your problem?" I didn't want to
tell them what I wanted - a break - because I
knew they wouldn't like it. Mark was happiest
when he was on tour because he was with his
friends and doing what he loved and Travis just
wanted to play the drums. But I was going to
self-destruct if I didn't make some
changes."
WHAT CHANGES DID YOU ALL AGREE TO MAKE?
"We decided to take a six-month
break."
HOW DID THAT SIX MONTH BREAK SUDDENLY BECOME AN 'INDEFINATE HIATUS'?
"My
number one reason for needing a break was
because my family needed me but as soon as we
came home, we had to record a song for Travis'
TV show and Mark had booked us multiple tsunami
benefit shows. I think because they felt I was
trying to control the band by making us go on a
break, they were booking stuff for us to
do."
WHAT WAS THE LAST STRAW FOR YOU?
"Before that show [the Music For Relief
tsunami benefit] we had this big argument after
a rehearsal. It was completely clear to me that
the way the band was going to operate was very
different to how I needed it to be, because of
the type of family man I wanted to be. Anyways,
as I was driving away, they both called up our
manager and tried to cancel the show because
they were really mad at me. They were so angry
that they were saying... I don't even know what
they were saying."
WERE THEY INSINUATING THAT SOMETHING BAD MIGHT HAPPEN?
"There
wasn't an actual threat, but there was a really
weird, unsaid... I don't know what it was but it
was so strange. That's when I said to my
manager, "Okay, it's time for a
break"."
SO YOU WERE LEFT WITH NO CHOICE BUT TO TAKE A 'HIATUS'?
"Please understand
that the break-up, or hiatus, or whatever you
want to call it, was never an agenda of mine. I
never wanted it to happen. It was a very
depressing thing for me."
HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO MARK AND TRAVIS SINCE?
"No, We did a huge
amount of talking and that's why I haven't
spoken to them since because I said everything I
needed to say to them."
DO YOU THINK THEY UNDERSTOOD WHY YOU NEEDED TO MAKE SOME
CHANGES TO THE WAY BLINK WORKED?
"I don't think that
either of those guys would ever believe that I
did this because I thought it was best for my
family. I think, until the day we die they will
go to their graves thinking I did this because I
had a master plan to make another band or do it
by myself without them."
THAT'S A SAD THING TO THINK ABOUT YOUR FRIENDS.
"I'm tired
of thinking about what they think said. I'm
tired of wondering how I could have said things
better. I said to them, "I want to be the
biggest band in the world, I want to love my
band and I want to be your best friend, but I
have to be the best husband and father first."
But I don't think they were really hearing me. I
just think that we were different people at the
end."
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT MARK AND TRAVIS NOW?
"I miss them. I don't feel "fuck
you" towards them at all because I love them.
They're fucking awesome guys."
YOU AND MARK STILL OWN (CLOTHING LABELS) MACBETH AND ATTICUS
TOGETHER, DON'T YOU?
"Part of the
charm about this whole situation is that we
still have these companies together, which means
that one day we have to come together and
rebuild our friendship."
IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN?
"It has to happen."
ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN?
"It's not going to
happen on it's own. When all this stuff went
down, I knew I had to take a different route to
happiness, so I don't feel guilty about that,
but there's such a large part of me that can't
wait to rebuild my friendships with them.
Playing with them again is something I think
about every day, but I know that it just doesn't
make sense for me right now."
PART OF THE APPEAL OF BLINK 182 WAS THAT IT REALLY SEEMED
LIKE YOU WERE BEST FRIENDS. DO YOU THINK FANS WILL FEEL DUPED
WHEN THEY REALISE THAT WASN'T THE CASE?
"We were friends. That's the
saddest thing. We were doing what we loved and I
swear, whenever we were onstage it was magical.
There's nothing stained on the Blink name as far
as the music and shows go, the only thing that's
stained is the breakdown of our friendship at
the end. It makes me so sad to think our fans
would feel that way."
BLINK 182'S
'GREATEST HITS' ALBUM IS RELEASED ON UNIVERSAL /
ISLAND ON OCTOBER 31.
Also
see:
See
Plus 44 section on aliens-exist.net.
Song Meanings
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